I think the 5th generation section has no shortage of people willing to buy a completed solution. Looking on eBay Munji has sold 100+ of his MQ kits (reported sales from eBay not claims) and this thread was instantly alive with people having purchased the Chip Tuning unit on the belief it was SPVi's unit. I've seen nobody in this section cutting wires and adding bullet connectors like in the 4th gen threads. Even people who HAVE fitted plates are holding out for the SPVi solution. That said I don't think it's unreasonable for disappointed people to want to know what they're plugging into their $40K+ vehicle.NowForThe5th wrote:too many people are such cheapskates
I want to know why for lots of reasons but I have no interest in duplicating it if it works. I work in a technical field where I develop computerised solutions for things. As a hobby I've built my own ECU units for forced induction petrol cars, tuned them and made improvements to the software so tuning cars is a bit of a passion of mine. Mostly I want to be reassured of how these are working so I know my good hard money is going to the tried and tested solution that is reportedly developed by Tony. I bought the Chip Tuning unit in the good faith it was Tony's but I didn't ask the question of Chip Tuning myself, and I guess that's more fool me.NowForThe5th wrote:they're not prepared to simply accept that a module works but want to know why so they can duplicate it at less cost.
I think people are genuinely concerned that there are a lot of products around which don't deliver on what they've promised. I'd hazard a guess that most of the 5th Gen Triton owners are new to this site and haven't met or had any forum history with Tony. All we have to go on is that he's going to deliver what we need hype from older members and occasional reassuring words that something will be released eventually and we're to hold out. From that faith perspective what reassurance do we have that it will be better than the others already on the market without some understanding of what we're buying?It's a take attitude that gets right up my nose
My understanding is all of the MAF plug in modifications that effect the IAT will have no restriction on the EGR being controlled by the ECU if required. I've trialled both the Munji and Chip tuning modules and they both "appear" to have an audible release of air on gear changes. They both modify the IAT wire but in slightly different methods. I haven't monitored my EGR valve on the Scantool to confirm however.NowForThe5th wrote:there are times when the EGR valve has to open on the MQ. Plus, of course things like an apparently inexplicable 4psi loss.
In the same token should we just believe the Munji and Chip Tuning modules? They both make claims to slice bread and bring world peace? Why is Tony's better than theirs without some kind of scientific validation?NowForThe5th wrote:The problem, though, as I see it, is that too many people are such cheapskates that they're not prepared to simply accept that a module works
Newtriton has given me plenty of good aftermarket advice in the time I've been here, so I appreciate the confidence of the forum to give me a good steer.NowForThe5th wrote:I do know Tony and think that I have a pretty good idea of what drives him in terms of quality and product support.
NowForThe5th wrote:The problem, though, as I see it, is that too many people are such cheapskates that they're not prepared to simply accept that a module works
Greytriton wrote:Id like to know whats so special in all the boxes no matter who makes it.
Cheap box = a resistor on the intake temp sensor wire.
Expensive box = Possibly similar resistor encased in black resin so you cant see.
Id like someone else to do a comprehensive before and after test , monitoring boost pressures. Take pictures etc., Show me.
Like i said, i had a repeatable loss of 4 psi with a EGR delete module installed. Took it off and put up with the occasional clearable error with the full blanking plate.
OR everyone get defensive about it and play secret modules with black bog inside.
Its like Jehovah's witness when they come to the door. I tell them the same thing. I need evidence before i believe. If they could turn my garden rake into a snake before my eyes i would convert on the spot.
Greytriton wrote:For some members who messaged here is a MQ boost test. The gauge concurred with my scangauge also with a maximum of 25psi at full throttle. Full blank no hole.
https://youtu.be/YpaE4yMvSLs
Has anyone bothered to work out why the boost pressures goes A-wall once EGR is blocked/restricted?... Funny how everyone notices higher boost pressures and installs more peripherals to drop it back down but don't question what and why it has climbed in the first place and what is happening else where on the engine management because of this Phenomenon?
To check the supercharging pressure when the engine speed increases to approximately 3,000 r/min or more by driving at full acceleration in 2nd.
Standard value:
<Except MIVEC> 235 to 275 kPa
<MIVEC> 240 to 280 kPa
jerrah wrote:Two things: ...snip...
MANIFOLD ABSOLUTE PRESSURE SENSOR
Manifold absolute pressure sensor is installed in the upper area of the throttle body assembly. It uses a piezo resistive semiconductor to output a voltage according to the manifold absolute pressure to the engine-ECU.
Engine-ECU uses this voltage output for making fuel injection amount compensations and effecting exhaust gas recirculation control.
Sensor properties are as shown in the figure.
AIR FLOW SENSOR
The air flow sensor is installed in the air cleaner assembly. The air flow sensor comprising the hot wire and the cold wire inside controls the amount of current going to the hot wire to constantly keep the difference in temperature between two wires. When the mass flow rate of air increases, the flow rate increases. Also the amount of heat transfer increases from the hot wire to the air. For these reasons, the air flow sensor increases the amount of current going to the hot wire. That means that the amount of current increases according to the mass flow rate of air. The air flow sensor detects the amount of current to measure the mass flow rate of air. The air flow sensor converts the amount of detected current to the voltage, and outputs it to the engine-ECU. The engine-ECU uses this output voltage for the exhaust gas recirculation control. The sensor characteristics are as follows:
Greytriton wrote:Id like to know whats so special in all the boxes no matter who makes it.
Cheap box = a resistor on the intake temp sensor wire.
Expensive box = Possibly similar resistor encased in black resin so you cant see.
Id like someone else to do a comprehensive before and after test , monitoring boost pressures. Take pictures etc., Show me.
Like i said, i had a repeatable loss of 4 psi with a EGR delete module installed. Took it off and put up with the occasional clearable error with the full blanking plate.
OR everyone get defensive about it and play secret modules with black bog inside.
Its like Jehovah's witness when they come to the door. I tell them the same thing. I need evidence before i believe. If they could turn my garden rake into a snake before my eyes i would convert on the spot.
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